#14: The official project web site
Planning and installation of a new web site
(Note: This section is obsolete and maintained only for historical reasons.)
Information on the current state of the various SPF web sites in general and the current official project web site in particular shall be gathered, goals for a new official project web site shall be discussed and defined, and options for its creation shall be worked out and presented to the council for consideration.
Council member Julian Mehnle is appointed to directing the information gathering and discussion and reporting to the council.
Management of the web site (Webmasters)
The council shall be held accountable for the effective maintenance and the content of the website, and all council members shall have edit access to the website. However, for regular operations, two equal webmaster positions shall be delegated by the council. These webmasters shall be trusted by the council and take care of the day-to-day technical administration of the website as well as of regular content editing.
The webmasters shall act in mutual agreement and cooperation with the community, without requiring explicit specific consent of the council, but shall always be bound by the council's explicit directives, issued by any council member, or through council resolutions. They shall consult the council on any significant issues that are likely to be controversial. Any material conflicts that the webmasters cannot resolve among themselves must be brought to the council's attention without undue delay.
The web site domains
Official domains for the project website must be owned and paid for by a trusted person chosen by the council through majority vote without explicit dissent. Monetary donations are welcome and should be directed at the chosen trustee.
No less than two, and no more than four domains shall be officially and permanently maintained by the project, comprising no more than two second-level-domain variants and two top-level-domain variants (e.g. foobar.org, foobar.com, foo-bar.org, foo-bar.com). Additional domain variants (SLD and TLD) may be donated (i.e. paid for and perhaps also transferred), but shall not be considered permanent assets of the project.
In any case, if possible, spf.pobox.com shall for the time being remain a permanent asset of the project and one of the official domains through which the website can be accessed.
For the donated domains, a thank-you note with links to the donators shall be displayed on the website, at least on the front page.
(Initial resolution proposed on 2004-12-22 by Chuck Mead, passed by majority vote. First and second amendments proposed on 2005-04-27 by Julian Mehnle, passed unanimously. Third amendment proposed on 2006-01-08 by Greg Connor and Julian Mehnle, passed unanimously.)
<csm-laptop> 6. SPF Web. What to do? Domain purchase/hosting? (Chair)
<csm-laptop> MarkK: you had comments to make here I believe?
<MarkK> Like I said, I heard some disgruntled folks on the list, saying
meng's site had become too commercial and less 'geeky', if
recall correctly
<csm-laptop> yes... and?
<csm-laptop> your surmise?
<MarkK> earlier, I believe we were going for just making meng's site the
official one; so, now I am asking, should we?
<grumpy> I think spf.pobox.com is also out of date and I think that we
can't reasonably expect Meng to maintain it and do everything
else he does for us
<grumpy> I think it would benefit the SPF project if we could create a
team that maintains an official website.
<MarkK> agreed
<Julian> I'd like to comment that http://spf.pobox.com isn't less geeky
than it should be, it's just not at all concise.
<csm-laptop> normally I would say that it is the ED's responsibility as this
falls under "day-to-day"
<MarkK> julian: I was just reflecting talks I heard; not that I agree per
se
<csm-laptop> *BUT*
<grumpy> I think that it is far less easy to find stuff on now than it was
under the old format, but the new format looks more
"professional"
<Julian> If "commercial" implies "very unconcise", then the world is
doomed.
<csm-laptop> perhaps we need to help him with this by getting him some help?
<csm-laptop> hey guys... lets keep to the real point here shall we?
<csm-laptop> we should not concern ourselves with criticism of the site
* grumpy agrees, to a point
<Julian> I don't think the current format of http://spf.pobox.com looks in
any way "professional". It just has a lot of "nice" graphics...
<csm-laptop> I think what we should be doing is... acknowledging that the
community, and likely this body as well... does not think the
sites in general are adequate
<MarkK> we should, if we agree, at large, that we do indeed need a new
site
<csm-laptop> so if that's what we think... without devolving into specifics...
let's resolve to create a resource to do something about it
<grumpy> ok
<Julian> What about the many outstanding offerings?
* csm-laptop does not know anything about them
<Julian> spf-help.com, openspf.org? (Not just the domains.)
<MarkK> meaning: if we feel the the community 'buzz' is loud enough that
the official SPF site should be different, then yes, I yhink we
should take that seriously
<csm-laptop> okay so...
<csm-laptop> is anyone on the council interested in pursuing this from a
management aspect?
* MarkK would really like to hear Meng's voice on this too
* csm-laptop notes that we are not likely to
<grumpy> Yes, we should ask for help on the spf-discuss list and approve a
team of web designers
<Julian> I think it is important that spf.pobox.com ceases to exist if a
new "official" web site is created.
<csm-laptop> augh
<csm-laptop> look guys
<csm-laptop> I do not have enough information to know *WHAT* to think
<Julian> ...so we create a committee. ;-)
<MarkK> julian: agreed
<csm-laptop> what we have to do is get someone working on the issue, gathering
facts and creating a report or something for our later
consideration
<csm-laptop> there is *NO* way we can do this ourselves
<Julian> Agreed.
<csm-laptop> I would prefer that this initial part *NOT* be a group or
committee
<csm-laptop> it's simply fact finding
<csm-laptop> now grumpy has a doc to get out
<csm-laptop> Meng is also busy
<csm-laptop> I already have a committee...
<Julian> I would do it, _if_ no one else here is willing. Come on, people.
MarkK?
<MarkK> something of a merger between spf.pobox.com, openspf.org and such
would be good; prefereably with those folks involved
<csm-laptop> Julian and Mark that leaves the two of you
* grumpy preasures Julian to do it because he likes what Julian has
done with the council website
<Julian> grumpy: I think you're mixing things up. This is not about doing
the new website myself.
<MarkK> I think we could certainly ask the webmasters in question whether
they are willing cooperate in such a fashion?
<grumpy> don't forget spf.infinitepenguins.com
<csm-laptop> motion: the Council appoints Julian to gather information on the
"state of the web" and propose workable solutions
<Julian> I would be willing to take a part in webmastering the new site,
though.
<MarkK> me too
<csm-laptop> motion: the Council appoints Julian to gather information on the
"state of the web" and propose workable solutions
<grumpy> Julian: true, but I like your taste/style and therefore I would
like you to take charge
<csm-laptop> motion: the Council appoints Julian to gather information on the
"state of the web" and propose workable solutions
<csm-laptop> is there a second?
<MarkK> seconded
<csm-laptop> votes?
<Julian> 1528u yes
<grumpy> 1528u yes
<csm-laptop> so ordered
<MarkK> 1528u: yes
<csm-laptop> thank you!Vote log for 2005-04-27 amendments | >> |
<Julian> Motion: Please approve the "Webmasters" proposal.
<Julian> http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss@v2.listbox.com/200503/0162.html
<csm-laptop> second?
<MarkK> seconded
<csm-laptop> votes?
<Julian> 2243u: yes
<grumpy> 2243u: yeah
<MarkK> 2243u: yes
<grumpy> yea, even
<csm-laptop> so ordered
<Julian> Motion: Please approve the "Domains" proposal.
<Julian> http://archives.listbox.com/spf-discuss@v2.listbox.com/200503/0162.html, too.
<csm-laptop> second?
<grumpy> 2244: seconded
<csm-laptop> votes?
<grumpy> 2244u: yea
<Julian> 2244u: yes
<MarkK> 2244u: yes
<csm-laptop> so ordered
Vote log for 2006-01-08 amendment | >> |
<grumpy> Uh, I think MarkK wanted to add the "Thank you" note on the website
<Julian> Oh, that.
<grumpy> I say: yes, let's change it. but then, I said that in my email...
<grumpy> other thoughts?
<Julian> Well, I think we can safely remove the blatant banner by now.
<gconnor> what was the change? I missed it
<MarkK> yeah, at least I want to make it official (after voting on it, of
course) that we tone down the profuse wording which is up there now
<Julian> http://archives.listbox.com/spf-webmasters@v2.listbox.com/200601/00
03.html
<Julian> I'm not sure we need a motion for that, but if someone wants one,
please make it.
<grumpy> Well, I appreciate the donation, and I think it was appropriate for
a while.
<gconnor> I agree with the spirit. Would it be OK to just leave it up to the
webmaster?
<Julian> In any case (motion or not), I can change it in a few minutes.
<MarkK> Ok with me, I guess (as it seems the webmasters are agreeing with
it, as far as I can tell)
<gconnor> Motion: The thank-you message can be changed at the webmaster's
discretion, either text or a link on the main page being the only
requirement
<Julian> s/changed/toned down/
<Julian> Motion: The thank-you message can be toned down at the webmaster's
discretion, either text or a link on the main page being the only
requirement.
<grumpy> I think we promised a link to JamesC
<MarkK> yes, the link can stay, as per our promises
<Julian> grumpy: Ok. I think we should leave the note on _all_ pages,
though, not just on the main page.
<grumpy> I don't think we need to put it on all web pages
<MarkK> I just rather the text be toned down and be moved to the bottom of
the pages
<grumpy> I think it is a waste of screen space
<grumpy> we only promised that it would be on the front page
<MarkK> I do not recall we promised 'on every page'
<Julian> Motion: The thank-you message can be toned down at the webmaster's
discretion, but at least a note and a link to the donators on the
front page have to stay.
<gconnor> Motion: The thank-you message can be changed at the webmaster's
discretion, either text or a link on the main page being the only
requirement
<MarkK> just the front page should suffice
<Julian> (This has little to do with what we promised. We can always do more
than we promised.)
<grumpy> great, we have two 23:02's
<gconnor> I yield to Julian's version
<Julian> 2302u.julian vs 2302u.gconnor
<MarkK> hhm, I really think just the front page will do
<gconnor> I just wanted to put it on the webmaster and not have the council
decide exactly what to do
<grumpy> 23:02u (Julian) seconded
<Julian> Votes on 2302u.julian?
<Julian> 2302u.julian: yes
<gconnor> 2302u.julian: yes
<grumpy> 2302u.julian: yea
<Julian> wait(MarkK)
<MarkK> I'm confused now; I see julian saw two things: keep on all pages +
keep on just the first
<Julian> "<Julian> Motion: The thank-you message can be toned down at the
webmaster's discretion, but at least a note and a link to the
donators on the front page have to stay."
<Julian> That's what I wrote at 23:02 UTC.
<MarkK> oh, ok; 2302: yes
<Julian> So ordered, thanks.